The thing with freeforms.

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    Even if it is true that freeforms cause lag, it wouldn't be that much, I was planning to build a shack out of freeforms like pine plates and pipes, but I couldn't and I'm pretty sad my base has to be a massive boring block of nothingness. I see why you banned freeforms, but really, for minor lag and trollers that could easily be repelled, is it necessary to ruin great building ideas, plus our creativeness could attract more players, why not for freeforms?
     
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    The lag is not minor, especially when those buildables build up, overtime they do and they kill the server. Allowing the free form just gets it there a hell of a faster.
     
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    The whole server is a bunch of uncreative blocks of walls and pillars, it would be nice to have freeform buildables for atleast SOME creativity, I really don't want to make a shack the size of china, and my storage closet to be the size of a beetle too. If you think about it, if it's really worth having a server, where no one can even build a simple staircase of plates, then that's really wrong. I mean, look at your server, bricks of wood everywhere. Why? Why destroy creativity over a bunch of lag, you could simply have people lower their graphics settings or actually download the necessary equipment for free, like me. It's not your fault it lags for some, they're the ones responsible for their systems, not you or the server.
     
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    This game's purpose was never creativity, if Nelson wasn't using this game as an outlet to make a living, it would be a lot better.
     
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    Okay, but what about responsibility to your running systems, even if creativity wasn't your purpose, does it mean every house has to look like a box from Amazon, or an airdrop crate the size of china? I mean, I'm not here to bluntly say that we should spam everything, but rather, keep some limits, if I can't build a shack, could I atleast do a small one? or better yet, allow people to have small roofs or buildings, such as sheds, tents, or small creative platforms, I get that lots of players play here atm, but then again, if it is true that lag exists, look in every other PvE or PvP server, I get the same fps no matter what, I'd go as far to say that this server is just a bit laggier than ones that have thousands of freeforms. It should be the responsibility of players to have running systems to the best as they can, there are tons of free driver updaters, game boosters, and what-not. I see why you delete vehicles and freeforms, but sadly, to me, freeforms or not, it's the same fps and lag, my friends say the same thing, and some of the community say the running systems is our fault, not yours. I'm not selfish, I know I'm not the only one wanting to build a really cool, creative, and a simple-small creation. We could make this server a lot better, simply by being allowed to make a custom staircase or roof. Even if you would say "Yeah right, no one uses it", well, maybe no one uses it, but freeforms could have lots of useful purposes, and removing them, is a step in the wrong direction of Unturned. Freeforms were meant for creativity, ingenuity, survival, strategy, and all the great things you can do eith them, + fun stuff if you're bored and the staircase isn't a slippery metal square.

    Remember:
    - It isn't your responsibility because a couple of people don't understand game boosters and updating drivers, if they downloaded steam, they can download Driver Booster 5 and Razer Cortex THE SAME WAY, they're supposed to try to FIX it first. Which is a mistake I made by complaining about lag, BEFORE I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PLAYER.
    - Even if it is true that this server isn't creative, freeforms aren't causing that much lag to me, and if it is, people NEED to understand the basic driver before they play.
    - Remember, a person's driver 2000 miles away from you, isn't your responsibility, I imagine you don't want to care for that, but sadly, you are doing it rn. (NO offense man, couldn't say it better)

    But if you don't like something that uh, I happen to find useful, fun, and gameplay-changing, this is your server, and you have rights to it, You are the Owner, You Made it, You have rights to the decisions, Not going to go into depth about it.
     
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    It's not the players that lag when the server is packed with buildables, it's the server. When the server is packed with buildables it tries to send ALL players within distance load and unload packets, if you get enough of those you get high pings and you start to time out. Essentially, removing the free form increases the amount of time it takes for the server to get to this point. Once it gets to this point, we need to do a map reset. If we do it right, have daily cleanings, we can keep a map up for 6 months. If I was to re-enable free forms, this would turn into a few weeks, if that.
     
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    However, if the server is lagging, having a server for six months, sounds really, really, indifferent besides from having it BE a couple months, I really want to create something awesome. I can't use any freeforms, WE all want freeforms in this server, every PvE server has freeforms, why not this one, it doesn't make difference and it doesn't matter, all of us, not just me, like freeforms, we don't see them as lag-builders, but rather server-creators. No offense, but, I came here to find a better place to build something amazing that could attract lots of people, I really don't mind just 20 more ping for an awesome server.
     
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    Also, Um, I think this means I'm quitting the server, sorry man, if I can't use freeforms, then I won't be around any longer.
     
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    I'm going to try to keep the majority happy. Free forms cause lag and reduce map life span, increasing map resets. I'm sure the majority would rather have longer map life spans, than free forms.

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